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	<title>评论：The Tale of Kefir (克非尔) &#8211; by Joyful</title>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Beginner,

Your statement should be this way:

The active brewing grain will become back up grain after 7 days and the back up grain will become &quot;ACTIVE&quot; grain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Beginner,</p>
<p>Your statement should be this way:</p>
<p>The active brewing grain will become back up grain after 7 days and the back up grain will become &#8220;ACTIVE&#8221; grain.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes beginner,

Your understanding to rotate the back up &quot;shift workers&quot; is correct. You can chew the grains raw or blend it into smoothies with the strained kefir milk.

Over brewed kefir may cause constipation but again it depends on each individual, no fixed rule. Just test it out and see if you are ok with it.

Too costly to brew kefir for its probiotic benefits ? Then ask your friend to buy the probiotic capsules from the pharmacy, and see how much they need to spend, and what they can get out of it, hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes beginner,</p>
<p>Your understanding to rotate the back up &#8220;shift workers&#8221; is correct. You can chew the grains raw or blend it into smoothies with the strained kefir milk.</p>
<p>Over brewed kefir may cause constipation but again it depends on each individual, no fixed rule. Just test it out and see if you are ok with it.</p>
<p>Too costly to brew kefir for its probiotic benefits ? Then ask your friend to buy the probiotic capsules from the pharmacy, and see how much they need to spend, and what they can get out of it, hahaha.</p>
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		<title>来自：beginner</title>
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		<dc:creator>beginner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 13:37:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Joyful,

Thanks for the reply.  No wonder my kefir drink is getting so sour.  Will it cause constipation if it is too sour??

I have asked all my friends if they want to adapt some of the kefir grain.  But they think brewing it evey day with milk is too troublesome and costly.

I think I need to keep a back up and eat some of the excess grain.

Can I just eat the grain raw??  How much can I eat per time??

.............

I have 9 table spoon, so

- 3 table spoons active brewing
- 3 table spoons back up ( keep in freight with close lid for 7 days, with same amt of milk as grain)
- eat the balance 3 table spoons.

The active brewing grain will become back up grain after 7 days  and the back up grain will become&#039; back up&#039; grain.

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 Am I correct in my understainding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Joyful,</p>
<p>Thanks for the reply.  No wonder my kefir drink is getting so sour.  Will it cause constipation if it is too sour??</p>
<p>I have asked all my friends if they want to adapt some of the kefir grain.  But they think brewing it evey day with milk is too troublesome and costly.</p>
<p>I think I need to keep a back up and eat some of the excess grain.</p>
<p>Can I just eat the grain raw??  How much can I eat per time??</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have 9 table spoon, so</p>
<p>- 3 table spoons active brewing<br />
- 3 table spoons back up ( keep in freight with close lid for 7 days, with same amt of milk as grain)<br />
- eat the balance 3 table spoons.</p>
<p>The active brewing grain will become back up grain after 7 days  and the back up grain will become&#8217; back up&#8217; grain.</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p> Am I correct in my understainding.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beginner,

Oh, you can go to my article &quot;the Bubbly Tale of Water Kefir&quot; to read more about the type of grains I use to brew water kefir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beginner,</p>
<p>Oh, you can go to my article &#8220;the Bubbly Tale of Water Kefir&#8221; to read more about the type of grains I use to brew water kefir.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 00:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beginner my dear,

Wow, your once &quot;Sleeping Kefir Beauty&quot; is doing amazingly well. After sleeping in your freezer for 5-6 years, she has woken up not only to brew you kefir but also to give you off springs, this is incredible. I am happy to hear your update.

9 tablespoons to brew 800ml is too much grains, no wonder the kefir you brewed was sour. Use 1 tablespoon per 250ml milk (1 cup). So, 3 tablespoons to 800ml is suffice.

Keep the extra grains as back up. Read my post up up up there for the methods. Any excess, eat it.

‘ultra heat treated’ (UHT) milk involved ultra high heat treatment to the milk, so all the good stuff in the milk is killed. Anyway, UHT milk to the grains, it has not much impact but to you it has in terms of health benefits.

I tried to use milk grains to brew water kefir but the result was not good, that is why you didn&#039;t hear me talk much about it. The grains will stop growing and eventually dies off.

My excess grains? I send them off to people who needs it and requests for it in exchange for &quot;food&quot; for the needy. The recipients get what they need (grains), I get what the needy needs (rice), haha.

Hope I have answered all your Qs adequately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beginner my dear,</p>
<p>Wow, your once &#8220;Sleeping Kefir Beauty&#8221; is doing amazingly well. After sleeping in your freezer for 5-6 years, she has woken up not only to brew you kefir but also to give you off springs, this is incredible. I am happy to hear your update.</p>
<p>9 tablespoons to brew 800ml is too much grains, no wonder the kefir you brewed was sour. Use 1 tablespoon per 250ml milk (1 cup). So, 3 tablespoons to 800ml is suffice.</p>
<p>Keep the extra grains as back up. Read my post up up up there for the methods. Any excess, eat it.</p>
<p>‘ultra heat treated’ (UHT) milk involved ultra high heat treatment to the milk, so all the good stuff in the milk is killed. Anyway, UHT milk to the grains, it has not much impact but to you it has in terms of health benefits.</p>
<p>I tried to use milk grains to brew water kefir but the result was not good, that is why you didn&#8217;t hear me talk much about it. The grains will stop growing and eventually dies off.</p>
<p>My excess grains? I send them off to people who needs it and requests for it in exchange for &#8220;food&#8221; for the needy. The recipients get what they need (grains), I get what the needy needs (rice), haha.</p>
<p>Hope I have answered all your Qs adequately.</p>
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		<title>来自：beginner</title>
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		<dc:creator>beginner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 10:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Joyful, 

I am Beginner. Sorry u might have another icon again, becaue I am using another computer to log in again. Still struggle with my computer.

I really need your help. I now have over 9 tablespoons of kefir grain and I am brewing about 800ml of kefir drink per day. The drink has became too sour.

How many tablespoon of kefir grain should I use for 800ml of drink? What can I do with the rest/ balance kefir grain?

Did u have any grain that u are not brewing, what do u to them??

Can I use the same kefir grain to brew water kefir? I think if u brews kefir in water, they will not grow.

Also, can I use GREENFIELDS ‘ultra heat treated’ full cream fresh milk (from Australia) to grew the kefir drink??

Sorry for so many question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Joyful, </p>
<p>I am Beginner. Sorry u might have another icon again, becaue I am using another computer to log in again. Still struggle with my computer.</p>
<p>I really need your help. I now have over 9 tablespoons of kefir grain and I am brewing about 800ml of kefir drink per day. The drink has became too sour.</p>
<p>How many tablespoon of kefir grain should I use for 800ml of drink? What can I do with the rest/ balance kefir grain?</p>
<p>Did u have any grain that u are not brewing, what do u to them??</p>
<p>Can I use the same kefir grain to brew water kefir? I think if u brews kefir in water, they will not grow.</p>
<p>Also, can I use GREENFIELDS ‘ultra heat treated’ full cream fresh milk (from Australia) to grew the kefir drink??</p>
<p>Sorry for so many question.</p>
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		<title>来自：凡夫俗子</title>
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		<dc:creator>凡夫俗子</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi ... 卖菜妹
ya ... i too came across ur experience ...
i m not trying to put anybody down ... the method u described is generally used by the ah soh / ah poh or for that matter ah kong ....
they know it is good stuff but they do not dwell in depth into wat it is ...
they will tell u it is very good very good but asked ... they cant really tell u why it is so good la ...
they r kind hearted ... n wanting to spread the goodness of kefir ... but it is difficult to persuade intellectual like u ... just listen n drink lo ...
wat joyful is trying to do in the bubbly tale of water kefir is to put some color into water kefir n make it more interesting to do n drink ....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi &#8230; 卖菜妹<br />
ya &#8230; i too came across ur experience &#8230;<br />
i m not trying to put anybody down &#8230; the method u described is generally used by the ah soh / ah poh or for that matter ah kong &#8230;.<br />
they know it is good stuff but they do not dwell in depth into wat it is &#8230;<br />
they will tell u it is very good very good but asked &#8230; they cant really tell u why it is so good la &#8230;<br />
they r kind hearted &#8230; n wanting to spread the goodness of kefir &#8230; but it is difficult to persuade intellectual like u &#8230; just listen n drink lo &#8230;<br />
wat joyful is trying to do in the bubbly tale of water kefir is to put some color into water kefir n make it more interesting to do n drink &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi 卖菜妹,

From your description, the grains you have is actually Water Kefir Grains. I have just posted an article, &quot;the Bubbly Tale of Water Kefir&quot;. Please go there and take a look.

I do not recommend brewing water kefir for 4 days, it will produce too much alcohol.

I do not claim to have the best way but so far I am happy with the results. Try it yourself and see. It is a good stuff, don&#039;t doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi 卖菜妹,</p>
<p>From your description, the grains you have is actually Water Kefir Grains. I have just posted an article, &#8220;the Bubbly Tale of Water Kefir&#8221;. Please go there and take a look.</p>
<p>I do not recommend brewing water kefir for 4 days, it will produce too much alcohol.</p>
<p>I do not claim to have the best way but so far I am happy with the results. Try it yourself and see. It is a good stuff, don&#8217;t doubt.</p>
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		<title>来自：卖菜妹</title>
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		<dc:creator>卖菜妹</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;&gt;
I have some KEFIL GRAIN given by my neighbour. The making way of tis KEFIL GRAIN is totally different from yours. She was using 1 bowl of brown sugar with 1 bowl of KEFIL GRAIN and add with 3 bowl of filtered water. Then keep it in a grass bottle (cover with white clothe and rubber band as what you did) for 4 days. Finally, pour the drink to another grass bottle and drink directly. 

My neighbour are strongly recommended for my family, but the drink make me feel like after taking alcohol. It is hamful to our body if we consume it continuously??? Since I do not have any information on this KEFIL GRAIN, therefore I hope you can kindly give me some suggestion / recommendation on the right way of making it. 
Thank you.</description>
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I have some KEFIL GRAIN given by my neighbour. The making way of tis KEFIL GRAIN is totally different from yours. She was using 1 bowl of brown sugar with 1 bowl of KEFIL GRAIN and add with 3 bowl of filtered water. Then keep it in a grass bottle (cover with white clothe and rubber band as what you did) for 4 days. Finally, pour the drink to another grass bottle and drink directly. </p>
<p>My neighbour are strongly recommended for my family, but the drink make me feel like after taking alcohol. It is hamful to our body if we consume it continuously??? Since I do not have any information on this KEFIL GRAIN, therefore I hope you can kindly give me some suggestion / recommendation on the right way of making it.<br />
Thank you.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi SY,

Haha, to talk about Champion Juicer here is off-topic leh.

In the nutshell, a blender blends all the stuff into soft liquid but a juicer will extract the juice out from fruits and veggies, expelling the pulp.

If you have time, go through my blog posts there. I have written about the difference between blender and juicer and the reasons why you need to remove fiber from the juice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi SY,</p>
<p>Haha, to talk about Champion Juicer here is off-topic leh.</p>
<p>In the nutshell, a blender blends all the stuff into soft liquid but a juicer will extract the juice out from fruits and veggies, expelling the pulp.</p>
<p>If you have time, go through my blog posts there. I have written about the difference between blender and juicer and the reasons why you need to remove fiber from the juice.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aiyo Esther,

Homesick huh? Don&#039;t break my heart lah. 
Hey I received the photo of your kefirbaby and your success story this morning, looking great leh.

You kept the grains in the cold when it arrived you due to your travel arrangement so no choice, you had to waste the milk on your first batch loh. But, the subsequent batch is giving you good kefir liao... not bad at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiyo Esther,</p>
<p>Homesick huh? Don&#8217;t break my heart lah.<br />
Hey I received the photo of your kefirbaby and your success story this morning, looking great leh.</p>
<p>You kept the grains in the cold when it arrived you due to your travel arrangement so no choice, you had to waste the milk on your first batch loh. But, the subsequent batch is giving you good kefir liao&#8230; not bad at all.</p>
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		<title>来自：joyful</title>
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		<dc:creator>joyful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 03:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi June,

Congrats. I am glad you enjoy your kefir now. Keep brewing.
Jangan hangat-hangat txxx ayam ya, hahaha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi June,</p>
<p>Congrats. I am glad you enjoy your kefir now. Keep brewing.<br />
Jangan hangat-hangat txxx ayam ya, hahaha.</p>
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		<title>来自：SY</title>
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		<dc:creator>SY</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 07:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>凡夫俗子
I&#039;ll email u about that ya. Dun wanna mafan u lah, i&#039;ll arrange a time n meet u @ MV. =)

Joyful,
THanks for d recipes but anyway i&#039;m jz juicing d kefir using a blender. wat&#039;s d difference between a blender n the champion juicer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>凡夫俗子<br />
I&#8217;ll email u about that ya. Dun wanna mafan u lah, i&#8217;ll arrange a time n meet u @ MV. =)</p>
<p>Joyful,<br />
THanks for d recipes but anyway i&#8217;m jz juicing d kefir using a blender. wat&#8217;s d difference between a blender n the champion juicer?</p>
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		<title>来自：esther</title>
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		<dc:creator>esther</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 15:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>joyful,

kefir baby is home sick .. she is miss her grandma very much .
yesterday ater i went back from hometown.  Take it out about 11pm fridge, remove the lid and cover with clothes put it under table.

Today 11pm, it still milky + sour. Do not see anything similar like the picture u show. Cud +Whey. So i buang the milk ade..Redo again..

Hopefully baby will get well soon la..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>joyful,</p>
<p>kefir baby is home sick .. she is miss her grandma very much .<br />
yesterday ater i went back from hometown.  Take it out about 11pm fridge, remove the lid and cover with clothes put it under table.</p>
<p>Today 11pm, it still milky + sour. Do not see anything similar like the picture u show. Cud +Whey. So i buang the milk ade..Redo again..</p>
<p>Hopefully baby will get well soon la..</p>
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		<title>来自：june</title>
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		<dc:creator>june</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 08:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, Joyful &amp; every others,

now, I think I am right and a bit successful, my last 2 batches of Kefir milk collections
are 2 big nescafe bottles.

thank you everyone for sharing, I am enjoying my diy kefir milk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, Joyful &amp; every others,</p>
<p>now, I think I am right and a bit successful, my last 2 batches of Kefir milk collections<br />
are 2 big nescafe bottles.</p>
<p>thank you everyone for sharing, I am enjoying my diy kefir milk.</p>
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